Jussi Galla and Wiro Kuipers join Julian to unpack Topaasia® – a card-based gamified dialogue tool that gets any group to the one thing that actually matters, in just 75 minutes. No dominant voices. No endless stickies. Just one rule, one topic, and the "alibi" as built-in design feature, which gives people permission to raise the topics they have always been too cautious to name. If you've ever left a meeting wondering why nothing got decided, this episode is for you.

1. Jussi Galla on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jussigalla/
2. Wiro Kuipers on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wirokuipers/
3. Topaasia® website (Hint: Look out for the no-strings-attached free 30-day trial!): https://topaasia.com/en/
4. Topaasia® on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/topaasia/
5. Topaasia® research/study webinar with Prof. J. Tuomas Harviainen, from Tampere University: https://youtu.be/jO47KyOooEg
6. Topaasia® use case on Strategy Implementation: https://topaasia.com/en/strategic-communications-implementation-gamified-at-granlund/
7. Topaasia® tutorial on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z349xP_c1EU
8. Available Topaasia® decks: https://topaasia.com/en/topaasia-decks/
9. Lewis Deep Democracy (LDD) website: https://www.lewisdeepdemocracy.com/
10. Serious Games Podcast episode with Per Kristiansen on the LEGO® SERIOUS PLAY® method: https://seriousgames.podigee.io/20-the-lego-serious-play-method 10.Serious Play Conference Europe in Mainz: https://eu.seriousplayconf.com/
11. CounrterPlay in Kolding: https://www.designskolenkolding.dk/en/counterplay-26
12. #play14 in Berlin: https://play14.org/de/events/berlin-2026-06
13. Discontinued Unstuck app by Unstuck, LLC on the internet archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20160315010935/http://www.unstuck.com/index.html
14. Music: "Blanks" by Podington Bear (CC BY-NC 3.0, soundofpicture.com). A big thank you for sharing this wonderful track.
15. For feedback or to share your own experiences with gamified dialogue, reach out at hello@kiLearning.net or connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kilearning/